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no its the first mistake in a hand that lead to another mistake in a hand, don't just dismiss it.

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I can see the argument for starting another thread if only because having 50% of replies in this thread talking about preflop and 50% talking about the river is going to saturate the quality of the thread a bit in general.

I disagree about one mistake leading to another, though. Change the board a little and give tannen 88 instead of TT and it's pretty much the exact same river spot that he's asking about, except that flatting 88 pre there really isn't a mistake.

Also, the range with which he calls 3bets you gave might as well be his entire CO opening range. Come on dude, just because his VPIP is higher than 25 doesn't mean he's calling a 3bet with every single hand he opens, and it's not as simple as "lol you have equity so 3bet" because it's not like he calls the 3bet and then all five board cards are dealt out with no more action. I still squeeze there personally but I don't like that reasoning.

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v good points, all.

i think a 3b preflop might be slightly more optimal but it's not worth derailing this discussion, especially with goofy's observation that the two "mistakes" aren't really connected. just leave it alone, people.

also tannen, there simply aren't enough better hands in his range that fold here to merit this play relative to his air/monsters.

call the river, or fold.