Re: 10-15 outers, heads up, out of position
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I've never seen anyone fold any pair there.
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How do you actually see anyone fold anything
There is plenty of spots where you can c/r a good draw. If you have 10-15 out you need very little FE. If the pot is 6BB including villains bet you pay 2 to win 6. With 15 outs you will suck out with about 35% prob so your FE for the play to be +EV doesnt need to be more than 15-18%. (Do the precise calcs yourself if you dont trust me, I am prolly wrong)
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I see what they fold by propositional logic I guess. I cr my A high big draw, with intention of showing down. I fire the river, they call and show that on the turn they had 3rd pair, or even an under pair to the board. And it happens a lot, despite how frequently I check raise made hands too...
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And by that you can conclude that they never fold a pair?
Plenty of villains that will fold a pair vs a turn c/r. Besides you are not only trying to fold pairs. If you have Q high you want to fold K high and A high as well.
You can not take a general approach to whether to c/r a good draw or not on the turn. It depends on so many things. But thinking that nobody ever folds a pair is wrong.
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