[stealthmunk]

I don't even understand what you clowns are arguing about.

However, there are definitely some situations where a player would be better off mucking his hand in the big blind rather than checking his option. If you want to take it to the extreme example, pretend, folds to button (superuser account lolz) sb folds, hero has the option with two cards.

Curtains obviously pointed out that hero could then obviously play unexploitably by just openshoving with the absolute nuts everytime. However, hero doesn't know that villian can see hero's cards, so he obviously won't play that way, hero will be outplayed.

Checking (although involving putting in 0chips obviously has a negative expected value in the long term (Yes reverse implied odds do exist .) of -X chips, when you consider hero has the option of folding too. Fold is the clear play.

Now, the question is as there are no superuser's live, how close is durrr to a superuser?