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That's all irrelevent when it comes to believing in god. Only if you belive in god would you believe any of it is true.

All you've got is men repeatedly invoking some god concept to propogate their religon, and we already believed in religion.

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I see. But you can't have it both ways: either the bible is a vacuous account of religion propagation, in which case God, if he exists, bears no necessary relation to it, and cannot be accused of being a tyrant.

Or the bible is people's best efforts to pass on God's message, in which case you have to accept that God really is about saving people not condemning them.

I readily admit that the biblical account of God's actions is not likely to convert many. What makes a difference is seeing it lived out for real.