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We're not too worried if the button can show a small profit from set-mining us because there are going to be a ton of ways that he can make mistakes after the flop that we expect to profit from that more than makes up for it. Some of these mistakes are:

[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Trying to bluff us off our hand. (Actually we are likely to have an opportunity to induce a bluff).
[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Making a weaker top-pair type hand than ours.
[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Putting more money into the pot because he's not sure he's beat. (He might float with a pair and then fold when we make our committment bet).
[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] Make a weaker overpair and stack off with it.

In fact, the fact that we are in a live game with pretty lose players makes the above even more likely.

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well so much for tomorrow's post. :-)

yes, this is what i was thinking before but not saying explicitly. he automatically loses "globally" from putting in 10% preflop with 66 against AA/KK/half of AK. he still can lose by calling the small limp-reraise in isolation, but that requires a few assumptions like potential to make the mistakes you list above. another important mistake is calling with nonpairs, even 76s. we crush his nonpair hands and with modest assumptions are pricing his nonpair hands out with that small limp-reraise.



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Would you want to raise more preflop if you were in a tougher game or if you had specific information about your opponent? (Such as him being nitty and not putting a penny more into the pot unless he outflops you).

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that constraint reduces the equity we can extract preflop from nonpair calls and postflop from the mistakes you list, so we would want to raise more.

another consideration: if he only calls with pairs we should be limp-reraising him frequently with a broad range of hands. so we do get equity from the nonpair hands under common game circumstances.


btw thanks for pursuing your line pokerboy. it's given me some food for thought. if it gets into PNL2, you'll have been the reason.

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To make sure we are on the same page, when you say he loses "globally" by putting in money with 66 vs a range off AA/KK/AK, globally means the entire combinations of his preflop play.

Specifically, you agree that he loses money on the play of the hand because he put 10% of his money in with 66 against his range. Essentially even though he may be making money in making the call with 66 he lost enough money with his initial raise that his is still "in the hole" for the whole hand.

This is the point I was trying to make in the FR thread.