[TNixon]

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i raise all day long. these guys fold flop so often. if they call the raise they have a draw or 2nd pair always, so i double barrel, almost always folding out 2nd pair. on the river, if they are still in the pot, there is a good chance your A high is good.

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Until somebody shows me that they either do this with weak made hands that they're never going to fold, or with strong hands to try to induce a raise, I raise these donk minbets no matter what my hand is, no matter what the board is, and almost no matter what the preflop action is, as long as it's not going to commit me to a big pot that I don't want to be commited to.

If they don't fold to the first barrel, they usually fold to the second, and if they don't fold to that, then you just have to river out on their weak pair. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Very few people do this with strong hands to induce a raise, because most of them simply aren't paying enough attention to know whether it would work or not, so this seems to almost always mean absolutely nothing, or at best bottom pair or an underpair.

Even against calling stations who will mindonk with both nothing and a weak pair, I still raise. If I have them beat, I want them to put money in bad, and if I have nothing, I want them to fold now.

There's a pretty small group of players who will make small bets whether they have nothing or the nuts, so you have to be more careful about them, but they're pretty few and far between and usually very easy to identify.

Now you just have to decide if you want to pay any attention at all to somebody who can't seem to manage to climb over a 5% ROI at $50s. Ignore at will. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]