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add 88, 33, and J9d to the stove

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On second thought, I think it's a fold . Without having PT stats on the villain, I was thinking about proper weighting of sets vs. draws and overpairs for the average micro limit player, and testing them with stove. I think it's about even tending toward fold. Here are the weighted ranges I used and it becomes a slight call if you think the villain would make this play with JJ, but a fold if not.

Board: 8d 3d Th
Dead:

<u>Slight call, but almost indifferent to calling or folding</u>
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 28.669% 28.67% 00.00% 8231 0.00 { QhQs }
Hand 1: 71.331% 71.33% 00.00% 20479 0.00 { KK+, JJ-TT, 88, 33, AdKd, Jd9d }

<u>Definite fold</u>
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 13.224% 13.22% 00.00% 3011 0.00 { QhQs }
Hand 1: 86.776% 86.78% 00.00% 19759 0.00 { KK+, TT, 88, 33, AdKd, Jd9d }

And against a really tight player:
<u>Also a definite fold, but notice slightly higher equity than against the loose guy that shoved with KK</u>
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 14.404% 14.40% 00.00% 1426 0.00 { QhQs }
Hand 1: 85.596% 85.60% 00.00% 8474 0.00 { TT, 88, 33, Jd9d }

This is a great learning process for me. I see similar situations to this all the time, so please tell me if you see a flaw in my reasoning. I weighted down the flush draw to just 1 in 4 and I weighted overpairs down to AA and KK only.