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Old 10-29-2007, 01:33 PM
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Default Re: Insane HH from Niagara 10k involving THE Vanessa Rousso (and Shaniac)

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Hero is cdbr3799, talented mtt player and pocketfives allstar.

Use your own reads for the two main villains in the hand, Shaniac and Vanessa Rousso.

I am reposting this from the p5's thread that SCTrojans made.

25-50 blinds
effective stacks all 20k

cdbr3799 raises UTG+1 with 4h7h to 150
UTG+2 calls
UTG+3 calls
Cutoff calls (shaniac)
SB calls (vanessa rousso)

flop 8s 6s 5d

SB checks
CDBR3799 bets 400
UTG+2 folds
UTG+3 calls 400
Cutoff (shaniac) raises to 1800
SB (vanessa) raises to 4200

WTF do you do if you are CDBR3799?

There are no real reads on players other than what you already know about Shaniac/Vanessa - this hand is about 7 minutes into the tournament.

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Sick spot. I guess like others have said if I continue with the hand, I probably shove and hope someone thinks I can't get away from overpair. I am trying to put myself in the situation to realistically make a judgment of whether I fold or not. Honestly, I don't think I could get away from this hand which means I probably shove, which as I type it seems a little ridiculous given I am putting almost 20k to win 6k.

I may get flamed for this, but I might consider calling and seeing the action behind me/turn action. Problem with calling: sets and combo draws (As7s) are part of the mix here = lots of bad turn cards. If a spade hits or board pairs I am hurting, especially if Shane or UTG+3 call behind me. But if I call and the turn is safe, I continue with the hand.

Least attractive to me right now is RRing w/o shoving; any reraise that does not at least price in Venessa commits you to the pot and if someone shoves behind you are calling anyway. If I really knew Venessa's and Shane's game well (I don't) I might consider RRing w/o shoving as their subsequent actions might be easier to interpret. Otherwise I am committing myself to a hand in which I don't know what my opponents have.

I could fold. But IRL I don't think I would.
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