[Terry]

First, let me list my qualifications for stating this opinion.

I started running a lunch money Craps game in the boys room in 9th grade after reading "Scarne on Dice", ran games in the college dorm and payday games in the barracks while in the army, then spent 14 years as a dealer, boxman, floorman and pit boss in the dice pits in Vegas.

Even if a person could overcome the fact that each table has a different bounciness and slipperiness and that each pair of dice have different degrees of sharpness on the edges and corners that change significantly as the shift progresses, you are still left with the fact that the casino simply will not permit a player to continue using the short roll required by this technique.

They'll tell you a couple of times to "Bounce them off the back wall." If you don't, they just plain aren't going to let you shoot.

My opinion is the same as Jimbo. Just flush it.