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Old 08-07-2006, 05:00 AM
Usagi_yo Usagi_yo is offline
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Default Re: You make the ruling: Do the big chips play in this \"all-in\" push?

I'm not going through all the permutations but I'll simply tell you that Player B has a point. Do not stack high denomination chips below lower denomination chips. Even if you put them in the front row, as in this example, the people adjacent to you might not be able to see them.

As a general rule of thumb in poker, if something can be used as an excuse to angleshoot, somebody is going to shoot angles. Here, we don't know who the angle-shooter is, but to me, Player A has embedded high denomination chips in his low denomination stacks, and the edge goes to player B.

In my local Casino, thats what the ruling would be for most people from most floormen. There are a few people who would get a way with this from some floormen. Sorry, thats just the way it is.

Me? I'm going to know everybodies chip position at the start of the deal. It takes a few months to learn this habit, but if you play in B&M you better develop that habit. I've caught players removing large chips during the course of the hand (great tell BTW when they are on a weak hand), and I've seen them add large chips during the course of the hand.

My first catch was a player removing chips. I bet $225 against a player who should have had exactly $225 left, and he called all in with $150. I called the floor, felt like a cheeseball for doing that, but I knew he had a few more $500 buy-ins in his pocket. Had I not known that I wouldn't have said anything. Sure enough, he rebought after he lost that hand. That was a case of pure cheating for spite (he doesn't like me ... I play hard and rough and some fish just can't stand me.

I've seen players make big calls and inadvertantly hold on to the one or two white chips they had -- meaning making the complete call, but showing no chips on the felt. Generally it's a mistake due to the pressure, but it happens and all a sudden they wannt bet that $200 when their portion of the felt was clear ... makes the loser suspicious.
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