[kyleb]

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Also, Hughes has a floor of being a #2 pitcher. That's the worst-case scenario with the kid. His scouting grades look something like:

Fastball (93-95 mph) - 70
Curve - 75
Change - 60 (but improving)

That's insane talent. 75 is a dominant, dominant pitch, and a 70 is well above-average. The only examples of an 80 pitch I can think of are Pedro's changeup, Rick Ankiel's curve, and Bob Feller's fastball. Pitches that are outstanding but not true 80's would be something like Zumaya's fastball, Gagne's (even in his prime) fastball, Peavy's slider, Santana's changeup, and Bonderman's slider.

To get an 80 grade means the pitch is nearly unhittable.

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Just curious, is Joba's slider an 80?

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i think moreso liriano's or randy johnson's might be labeled such

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Oh, RJ's prime slider is definitely an 80.