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Old 11-20-2007, 06:10 PM
OSUGreg1983 OSUGreg1983 is offline
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Default Re: AJo OOP--multiple limpers

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So villains in this hand are terrible and will limp call a raise with much worse with AJ.

They are also stations postflop and will stick around with hands that you crush when you hit the flop.

Conclusion = fold? This doesn't make any sense.

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Let's look at it this way. I don't have PokerStove available right now, but I'll do my best to guess it out.

Say I have AJo, followed by 2 callers if I raise. They have K10o and 78s. We may be, say a 40% favorite to win the hand PF against K10o-30% 78s-30%. This means that although we have the highest proportion to win, 40/100, we are still behind to the combonation of proportions out against us (30+30=60/100) We hit our pair on the flop less than 50% of the time. If we plan on c-betting any flop to take it down, we're going to get a call in many spots because 2 random holdings will hit at least a draw on a random board that we miss. Double barreling is so spewy at 5NL, so most of the time we're facing an OOP situation on the turn after a failed c-bet with one caller that stuck around.

If we're fortunate to hit Jxx then great. But even if we hit Axx we must proceed with caution in light that many villains limp call with AQ+, especially UTG and MP.

I apologize if this is hard to follow, but SO much money is spewed OOP because we look at a hand like AJo preflop, which may in fact be a favorite at the time, but things change drastically on the flop with more than half the deck out against us when its difficult to get it heads up.

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WTF?

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p.s. I don't find this highly necessary in fostering healthy discussions.
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