[Davdob]

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If you start with a wheel draw and brick on 4th, you should often play if you have any reasonable suspicion someone started light.

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Regardless of what you should do, this is what 90% of players will do, and if hero's 8 is in the door then 99% of villains are calling a bet on 4th (it might be 100% since TT doesn't play online). Thus, you can't figure on taking down the pot on 4th like ever in this hand.

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I agree with you completely. There is no way you can take this down on 4th, but its often worth paying to look at 5th even if you know you opponent wont fold there.

Btw, I am fully capable of folding here if I brick depending on circumstance, so add me to the nitty villian list!