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Even then any good players will easily avoid ironman's setups.

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i still enjoy the mvc games, and i don't find them to be hopelessly broken. i don't like things to rapidly devolve into degeneracy vs anti-degeneracy though; it's more metagaming than gaming, and depending on ease of execution it can really harm the natural learning curve. i have simply had more fun playing mk though, and i think it is much more important in terms of impact. that's not because of gore either, they were the first to make a big splash on button layout, juggle systems, secret characters, etc.

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Heh, I was under the impression you thought MvC was a mash-fest-crapshoot. The comment about metagame is very true and I never thought about it that way.

I also enjoyed the MK series for the reasons you stated, but the fighting system just doesn't compare to anything by Capcom or SNK.