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Yeah, I was sorta thinking that that fact, coupled with at least some of the folks on here would both recognize the fact that I don't troll (though I've been hostile a couple times in response to what I perceived as trollishness), recognize the fact that Vagos does, and vote their conscience, would make the voting pretty interesting.

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Oh, how I wish I was able to call other people trolls with impunity!

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and of course the wicked irony if Vagos got himself voted off the forum because of his own suggestion, as enforced by the voluntary (and completely non-compulsory!) voting of a group composed in large part of ACists would also warm my little heart...


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Honestly, at this point...I might just voluntarily (ohh derp!) leave on my own without the poll. If this forum is just going to be run by one mod who will accuse me of doing something I did not, allow you to committ the same offense with impunity, and then ignore all my PM's, I'm not sure it's something I really care to partake in.

I'll give Iron a little more time to respond, I hope my concerns are addressed via PM or in this thread. I'll be waiting.

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When someone pretty much single handedly takes on a group like 8 to 1 or something I think they should be cut a little slack. Who else is going to engage in any at length debate with the AC croud here? Almost everyone else going running for the hills after 4-5 posts.


Everyone has the liberty to respond or not to any of his posts. I realize I'm in the somewhat unique position of being an ACist who is not having my morals called into question and picked at with tweezers under a microscope but you don't have to engage him if you don't want to. I told him flat out I would only play that on a tit for tat basis.

He wants to pick apart the 'initiaition of force' or the exclusivity of property rights, I want to pick apart what a person is 'owed' or 'deserves' by other humans.

In short you do not have to 'play' with someone who only wants to play offense and runs off the field when it's their turn to play defense if you don't want to. And if he is playing 'unfairly' challenge yourself to articulate it and educate him, iron, me, and everyoone else so that we can understand exactly how.

I don't think he's a troll but I do think he's putting considerable heat on people's moral principles in a way that the posters here are not used to. He is sometimes using somewhat absurd edge case examples but this is how morality is tested isn't it?

I don't believe in the moral superiority of AC over all other possible worlds and no one has convinced me otherwise. I would choose it over most other systems but not because of it's moral purity.