[tipperdog]

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i havent read that book or even seen it, but the exact pharse "illusion of action" was coined by dave when writing our book that hasnt made it to print. i find it very troubling that he uses it simlarly to our use and was privy to the part of the manuscript that few have seen.

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Ray,

I can assure you--from personal experience--that Barry has been using the phrase "Illusion of Action" with his students for years.