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Matt, given the video evidence of what happened. I know it was a correct "ruling" given the current guidelines. However, can you honestly tell me you think this is the most REASONABLE action, given the circumstances? If so, please explain how this is the most viable option.

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Quite simply it is the rule, TDA Rule #9 states

"All cards will be turned face up once a player is all-in and all betting action is complete."

The dealer did his job by opening his hand. I totally agree this guy was trying to muck his hand and tried to say he was tying to turn it up. If JC would have one this hand it would have been mistake.

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I have the feeling you would rather not answer the question, but just in case you missed it...Do you agree that the rule itself, which has been stated as fact to be enforced to deter collusion, is more valuable than allowing hands to be pulled from the muck that were intentionally folded allowing a player to awkwardly pull back their cards and push their chips forward, as he is obviously reversing a mistake he has made?

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So let me get it straight, on a called all-in bet with NO MORE ACTION you think it is OK for the worst hand to win?

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I think it's OK, provided that the person with the winning hand WANTED to muck...it's a free country, c'mon, if you're too timid or too stupid to turn the winning (or losing) hand over, you should be allowed to forfeit your right to "cards speak."

I don't think the rule is good for the game...and I think the rule for any called bet (allin or otherwise) should outline your privilege 1) to either expose your hand and be eligible to win the pot or 2) muck it and forego your right to the pot.

Also, I don't think that dealers at any other venue enforce the rule the way it was in this hand...I'm sure you'll correct me if it's different at Bay 101 than the norm, but the way they did it at Foxwoods is often not SOP.