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Old 11-09-2007, 05:02 PM
beernutz beernutz is offline
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Default Re: First PLO/8 seesion

I am not crazy about that starting hand and if I'm going to play it at all I'll usually limp in with it in late position.

Consider also that even if you catch your king on the flop and have the current nuts as you did there you may be an underdog <font class="small">Code:</font><hr /><pre> http://twodimes.net/h/?z=3886236
pokenum -o8 ks kc 4c 8c - qs js 9d 7d -- kd ts 8s
Omaha Hi/Low 8-or-better: 820 enumerated boards containing Ts 8s Kd
cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV
Ks Kc 8c 4c 301 301 519 0 0 0 0 0.367
Qs Js 9d 7d 519 519 301 0 0 0 0 0.633 </pre><hr />

However, change a couple of your cards to give you nut flush and low draws and it makes a big difference
<font class="small">Code:</font><hr /><pre> http://twodimes.net/h/?z=3886554
pokenum -o8 ks kc as 2c - qs js 9d 7d -- kd ts 8s
Omaha Hi/Low 8-or-better: 820 enumerated boards containing Ts 8s Kd
cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV
As Ks Kc 2c 500 500 320 0 144 0 0 0.643
Qs Js 9d 7d 266 320 500 0 0 0 0 0.357

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Here is your top set with nut flush and Broadway redraws <font class="small">Code:</font><hr /><pre>http://twodimes.net/h/?z=3886579
pokenum -o8 ks kc as jc - qs js 9d 7d -- kd ts 8s
Omaha Hi/Low 8-or-better: 820 enumerated boards containing Ts 8s Kd
cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV
As Ks Kc Jc 558 558 254 8 0 0 0 0.685
Qs Js 9d 7d 254 254 558 8 0 0 0 0.315 </pre><hr />

On the turn, of course, it might be the set of kings that are an even bigger underdog than what I displayed in the first code example, drawing to the full house or quads.
<font class="small">Code:</font><hr /><pre>http://twodimes.net/h/?z=3886612
pokenum -o8 ks kc 4c 8c - qs js 9d 7d -- kd ts 8s 7h
Omaha Hi/Low 8-or-better: 40 enumerated boards containing Ts 8s Kd 7h
cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV
Ks Kc 8c 4c 8 8 32 0 0 0 0 0.200
Qs Js 9d 7d 32 32 8 0 0 0 0 0.800</pre><hr />

Like I said, I play this type hand very carefully because I tend to either win smallish pots or lose large ones. When I fall in love with the top set and have no redraws to a low, straight, or flush in addition to the obvious FH or quad draw I have ended up regretting it. Just my $.02.
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