[daveT]

Please familiarize yourself with the posters before you write this kind of stuff:

"You sound like a .01/.02 player that believes it is unbeatable because they 'call with anything'"

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They are only calling with ATC in response to your current bet size. If it is truly ATC then just shove a strong hand... guess what. They will fold

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This is plainly obvious, except in extreme cases. But then you continue with this:

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Your Cbet just hasn't hit their fold threshold

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And poker is all about bluffing? I have never won a game on a bluff. It is about extracting value.

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These players seldom mix up their play, they telegraph with their bet sizes, and they are extremely predictable

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This is why people are getting so confused. There is so much talk about "hand reading" when in reality the game is about making decisions.

You agree in one sentence that if you want to play, you must force them to call with bad hands, yet in the next, you want them to fold these bad hands so they can become more predictable.

You can't have it both ways.

If you are going to extract the most moneys from these opponents, you must be willing to force them to make bad calls with random hands, and learn how to extract the most based on these assumptions. There is no hand reading here.

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Where is the disagreement on foundation?

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Two sentences later, you answer your own question.

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Profiling, and exploiting specific weaknesses are pretty much all there is.

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And then:

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fundamentals well documented HUNL is largely left up to 'feel'.

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Do experienced poker players expect a new player to have this ability?

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Point blank the better players on here could sit down, play ABC....

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And yet, your entire post is based on NOT playing ABC poker.