[goofball]

I think this is a fold preflop most of the time. If I"m running good and feel like I have a more than usual level of control over my opponents I'll call but fold is usually correct. Our hand is just too crappy.

We're setting up play pots with top pair that are small when we win and large when we lose. Too often we'll be in tough and not fun spots, and finally we'll have to fold too often when we have six clean outs.