Re: hey
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The flop play is obviously debateable and Nina is right. SB should have c/r'd. And yes I know we're giving up initiative.
In fact, I think you can make a case for check / raising the turn after 3 betting the flop because the Q is really the only card we don't want to see if HJ checks behind and HJ might bet a weaker hand on the turn and we have a big chance to push BB off what appears to be a weak or marginal hand. If he has a K so be it. Of course when HJ bets the odds he has a K increase, so this play is very controversial. However, so is betting the turn after a flop 3 bet. And the line you guys want to take is nitty.
Had we c/r'd the flop, check calling the turn is fairly obvious especially if BB is out.
The river I'll have to think about and really depends on our prior action which I think should include a check / raise somewhere.
My prediction is most others on this board likes calling the flop raise, check / calling the turn, and debating about a river laydown that could be the best hand.
I think sb's play is better than your nitty line.
Now flame me.
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this makes no sense. You realize we have AJo, and the flop is KJ4 RB. Also we 3-bet pf and were just CC by the BB? Why would we ever c/r the flop? And regardless of whether or not we 3-bet or called a flop raise why would we ever c/r the turn?
Barring some amazing read or crazy stats on both villains, advice to c/r either street with 2nd pair is pretty horrible in a multiway pot where we had initiative preflop.
you should probably go back and read the OP because it really doesn't make sense what you are suggesting.
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