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Shoving makes JsJx QsQx TsTx fold... i hope. I think folding here is bad, but thats just me

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What hand would you ever play this way that has the king of spades in it? If I'm the villian and I got shoved on, I'm definitely calling with QsQx...

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People that play 200 on stars know that i am a regular who plays very crazy in 3b pots. I can float this flop with complete air, and often will do so. I could also have AxKs and decide not to 4b due to stack sizes, which is completely reasonable. I highly doubt youd try to bet/call this river for stacks instantly with QxQs. Not many players are going to bluff shove this river.


2+2 makes me sad for the amount of close-minded thinking on these forums. I think this whole area of the game (turning made hands that figure to be good a large % of the time into bluffs) deserves alot of discussion. However, people choose to avoid this stuff because it isnt standard. You cannot play great poker without an open mind.

Now flame away...