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You have to shove river after calling turn

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calling turn does not make a river shove +EV. i mean if you think shoving river makes $ long run then shove, but you seem to be implying that you can't give up now or whatever, which just isn't the case. it's like just bc you spew once doesn't mean you have to twice.

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If shoving and checking have the same EV you should shove, but how much lower can your shove EV be than your check EV and still do it that is my question

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just because you make an image move doesnt mean it will be +EV in the future. it depends on how you and the villain use the information in future plays... he could easily outhink your image play.