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Yes, but in your example, you're ignoring how that legitimate use of force is funded.

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No, I'm actually not. I said that the position includes the fact that the coercive externalization of costs (i.e. taxation without direct consent) is a product of flawed implementation and is NOT legitimate.

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Let me repeat:

The accusation that this statist endorses violence against others is valid. Any personal view over whether the force is legitimate or not is irrelevant.

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Please show us a state, "ideal" or otherwise, that doesn't include initiation of coercive force.

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Sure, as soon as you show me a market driven society that doesn't include same.

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Whoa, cowboy. I've never said violence, or the initiation of coercive force, will disappear without a state.

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Why don't you demonstrate to me why the theory of the state necessarily includes violence against innocents, since that's what you're claiming?

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How are you funding it?