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Have not read the thread, and I do think that based on Foxwoods procedure, the correct outcome probably occurred. But, at most tournament venues, even in allin situations, dealers allow people to open muck their hands.
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Can anyone confirm Shane Schleger has enough live mtt experience to know what he is talking about more than most who responded in this thread?
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Shane has plenty of experience, and he is right that dealers have allowed people to open muck. but that doesnt mean the dealers were doing what they were supposed to.
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For anyone regurgitating what they've read about the correct ruling being made, pls re read the OP. Let me put it to you this way, if it's possible to get your minds around....Consider neither rules were in place and there was a void needing be filled in the tournament rules. Would you carry over the thought process behind the cash game rule for these situations? or implement the current rule, cards up no matter what as long as they are 100% certain they have the correct 2 cards (which is just another ludicrous variable in this rule)?
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There are only two options. 1) Leave the rule how it is and force every hand to be turned over when an all-in happens. 2) Remove the rule and let players muck when they want.
The second option is not going to happen as it has been one of the reasons for the success of televised poker. This rule has not been around forever though. It was instituted in 2001, and I hated the rule at the time. And although I still hate it I would agree that it has done way more good than bad.
I wrote about it briefly in a column in 2002.
“8. All cards will be turned faceup once a player is all in and all action is complete.”
“I hate this rule. No, actually I despise it. I have had discussions with many players about this rule, and to my surprise, it seems I am in the minority in not liking it. The No. 1 reason that I have been given in favor of the rule is that it speeds up play in cases where no one will turn his hand up. In all the years I have been playing poker, I have seen this situation happen perhaps a dozen times. The reason I really don't like the rule is that I honestly believe it will make people play their hands differently. Not only will it make the bad players play better, it will make the good players play differently. A rule that changes the play of the game is, in my opinion, very bad.”