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Old 09-01-2007, 02:42 AM
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Default Re: Limit hold em on the button

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So leader , you think that some hands should be limped ?

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no. I do limp some bad suited cards OTB against people that don't raise enough. If I try limping a few times and all they do is raise, I start lrr'ing but quit str8 limping for the mast part. If it appears after a few limps that he's raising somewhere close to the right amount, I stop limping. I also don't limp against people that fold too much either pf or postflop or those that will check pf and c/r the flop.

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I do like the idea of raising otb if you decide to play since you give away no information . I find that limping with speculative hands is a sign of weakness and you'll have to mix it up with some limp re-raising to counter that .

Here are reasons why I dislike limping :

1) When you limp , you're getting a discount but your opponent is getting a free look at the flop .

2)Limping with weaker hands gives your opponent more information and your hand becomes better defined . This isn't a good idea . Imo , if a hand is playable , then you should raise because you have position and fold equity on your side .

3) Limping gives you 0 fold equity .

I'd like to hear some thoughts on why some people think limping is occasionally correct .

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I pretty much agree with all of that. Certain players aren't smart enough to understand what your doing though. When this is the case limping has the advantage of winning you many of the same pots while you lose less when he hits. If he's a particularly fishy player, he'll also be making a huge mistake by calling in such a small pot when you make a pair. Even in the most generous cases though i wouldn't limp much. Only suited hands with no showdown value.
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