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Old 12-01-2007, 01:18 AM
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Default Re: Thread for Kaj on topic of human values

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Why do you feel it necessary to engage in sophistry here? Either make an argument it isn't very well correlated or agree that it is, and that for purposes of this discussion we can call your principle by that name.

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I did say it may be well correlated, but may not be an exact identity. There is no need to exhaust every implication of assuming an exact identity to a vague principle. (Oh, and isn't the point of your thread here to explicitly engage in sophistry, such as your need to pin me down on a definition to a vague principle?)

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The principle doesn't seem that vague at all. So why are you trying to paint it as such? "Do unto others as they would do unto you". What isn't clear about that as a principle? It's not necessary to delineate every possible application of such a principle to formulate that principle.

And let's note something else. You can keep calling it "my principle" like you're some kind of philosophical genius who came up with it, but you're just another overeducated underthinking hack if you won't admit "your" principle is an archetype that has been around for thousands of years in very close form to the way you state it. If you want to assert you made some minor tweakings that are different, then fine, call it "Golden Rule Kaj variation" or something. But enough with all this obtuse refusing to define and name things.



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Of course I can advocate punishment. Are you having a reading comprehension problem? See my principle above. Where do you see a condition that states every human must sharemy principle before I act on it?

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OK tell me if I understand you correctly. You are separating the Kaj version of the golden rule from any justifications or persuasions you might make to others to punish someone who harmed you. Thus you wouldn't be making a moral appeal, but rather an appeal to self-interest. Is that right?


And again, if most men agree with "your" principle, whether on a transactional or moral basis, doesn't that indicate such a principle, at some minimal level, is inherent in man? How can it be otherwise?
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