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You're talking two different languages. Reason to a theist means "whatever sounds good that coincides with my beliefs."

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Very true and a good point. If people want to be intellectually dishonest, there is nothing we can do other than point it out to them. The statements that Wiiii (and others) try to pass of as reason are anything but. They objectively fail tests for truth. This should concern them quite a bit if what they say is true and they were open-minded.

If the God they propose existed, there would be good reasons to believe so unless he was tricking us or testing us, in which case the entire topic falls apart. That is my one sentence summary objection to theism. Can any theists here address it?