[adanthar]

with 7 people in...someone call the probability forum over, because my eyeball of the math says there's a made flush out like 1/3 of the time, and worse, flushes/oversets make up well over half of your action from likely PF-coldcalling hands (assuming the worst hand that calls a UTG bet into eight people is a decent jack).

so anyway, I check and see what happens. if the PFR bets and someone calls, I shove. if he checks and someone bets out a real amount with no callers, I shove, too. with a bet/raise in front, I fold unless you want to take a -EV gamble for a 15K stack (not the worst thing ever, and in fact I might do it here, but just stating it's obv -EV.)

but anyway I think betting is bad and underbetting worse.