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Old 09-25-2007, 07:40 PM
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Default Re: when do you allow your \"internal warning\" system take over???

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villain is bamboo6386 - a 22/13 unimaginative straightforward TAG. His cr size (BIG) w/ a player behind him SCREAMED strength. Obviously I still called w/ the intenion to trap HIM. But then on the turn, he bet hard and w/o any thought (instaneously)... my internal alarm, hundreds of thousands of hands played, to my inner core, SCREAMED that he has me beat. but of course I didn't listen! does anyone EVER listen to their internal mechanism here - or do we always say "f*ck it, I has a set, and I ain't folding!"

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $5/$10 Blinds - 6 Players - (LegoPoker Hand History Converter)

SB: $990.00
BB: $2,220.00
UTG: $1,553.00
Hero (MP): $1,020.00
CO: $358.75
BTN: $1,102.00

Preflop: Hero is dealt 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 Players)
UTG folds, <font color="red">Hero raises to $35.00</font>, 2 folds, SB calls $30.00, BB calls $25.00

Flop: ($105) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 Players)
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="red">Hero bets $75.00</font>, <font color="red">SB raises to $215.00</font>, BB folds, Hero calls $140.00

Turn: ($535) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 Players)
<font color="red">SB bets $535.00</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises all-in to $770.00</font>,

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how is that a "BIG" c/r? it's not even 3x your bet. anyway, it's extremely unlikely for you to have a straight here so he can easily still think his 2pr is good and is value betting a worse hand so i'd still get it in with 33.

to your more general question, i'm with chirs- i probably make a few folds here and there that ppl wouldn't agree with bc of a "feeling" or "internal wanring" like you suggested. i think it's fine to make these kinds of folds once in a while, dont think it's too smart to make it a habit though

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Certain things - thru game-flow, etc. effect the way we view things. No - raising to 215 after a bet of $75 is not by definition a "BIG" raise. But in my experience w/ this player, when we were heads up, and the pot was $80, and I cbet $60 into the pot, he would cr me to $160. Obviously I didn't state this - but it skewed my opinion of "BIG".

But again, I posted the hand in attempt to open up discussion on listening to your subconscious (or "internal" system as I half-jokingly described it). Its pretty clear to most rational-thinking poker players that folding a set of 3's on this board is pretty silly in a vacuum. But it was other factors: the size of his cr; the size of his turn bet; the speed of his turn bet (literally instaneous - which in some situations is a bluff; but in others is a monster, from players who "are gonna make you pay big to draw" etc.) Additionally, just from a game-flow perspective (which I obviously can't include in any meaningful way in a post) - his actions said to me "I got a big hand, and I want to play a big post as quickly as possible". Its hard for me to describe this in any tangible way - but from teh way we had tangled in previous pots (timing, bet-sizing, etc., etc.,) I felt he was strong.

Of course as I mentioned, I told my subconscious to "shut the [censored] up, I have a set idiot!" I'm one who practically NEVER folds a set - i mean, i'm a calling station at heart! - but if there was ever a time, i think this may have been it. I posted it to see if others had these "feelings" - that you can't necessarily describe in explicit terms - that allowed them to make monster folds or hero calls.



fwif (NOT to justify my "internal" system) - villain had 555.
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