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Old 11-28-2007, 04:09 PM
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Default Re: Fulltilt froze my account with 47 grand in it

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I think they continue to post their stories for 2 reasons.

1) They hope that by some miracle Full Tilt will buy their stories and unlock their accounts. They are desperate and have no other recourse so they figure, if I spend a few minutes making a post something might come of it. They usually lose well over 20K. I think most people would devote a few minutes if they might get 20K back for it. Also as Microbob pointed out Full Tilt has unlocked accounts based on posts on this forum.

2) They want to know what kind of method Full Tilt and other places used to track them. This information could help them get better at cheating and make them uncatchable next time, which is always the goal.

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I think you are correct in 1) and you are wrong in 2)

I don't believe a bot was used.

What I think is that case is that someone developed poker playing program and is offering it to high profile players.

No botting - you click yourself. And the software should not neccessarily run on the same PC.

That's what I'm actually always saying. There is nothing evil in bots, in term of automated play. This (using bot) gives no advantage. You can't tilt - come on ... you win money on the 0.05/0.10$ and deplete the fishes - come on ... It is the same amount of effort as to become a pro player. And any rule based strategy is no different than a pro play - you need to continiously learn and change and adapt it to sustain winning.

The danger (or the imminent point) is when a game get solved, from game theory standpoint. And that is what will happen very soon to heads up limit. Then the game is dead. There is nothing in the world that can stop this, nothing. People will build hardware calculator, and any statistical attempts to catch it will be after many many many thousands of hands.

Even worse. Many HU limit players play very good, so good, like optimal play. Due to the amount of hands they play, they do mechanise most of their play. So it will be hard for a casino to really distinguish a winning player using computer from a winning pro.

Just look at the Polaris vs Laak match. Very few people know (you have to read Mike's thesis) that Polaris actualy beat the humans (this was HU Limit). The human won with statistical significance, but by removing luck that you can remove (theoretically) the bottom line was that the bots played better. So imagine how good Laak should have played ...

On the positive side, anything different than HU poker, and even HU no limit has many years to prosper. Bots are irrelevant to this prosperity. When these games get solved, they wll be dead, and will come the next one (for the online case).
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