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Old 07-27-2005, 05:29 PM
Ed Miller Ed Miller is offline
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Default Re: Comparing WLLH 3rd edition to 2nd edition

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A problem with QTs, JTs is that newer players cannot get off these hands when they run into kicker trouble. So they pay off and say, "Nice kicker" to the players with dominating hands. This lack of judgement cuts into their earn, and ought to be avoided. WLLH is not meant to be a prescription for the best possible strategic play; it is meant to get newer players profitable.

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Of course these hands can give people kicker problems. And they give everyone kicker problems, not just beginners, though beginners will get into a few more bad situations than better players.

But whether the hands give kicker problems or not isn't really the issue. The issue is whether these hands are PROFITABLE or not. Merely asserting that they are problem hands doesn't make your case.

These are my points:

1. Hands should be recommended based on whether they are profitable or not.

2. The profitability of certain hands from certain positions can be fairly well surmised from the Pokerroom.com stats stats available for free on the web.

3. Trying to argue this point without looking at the available data is more than a little silly.

In GSiH, I recommend that beginners fold QTs and JTs up front as well. That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about some of your other UTG recommendations.

I've personally heard you recommend, not just to beginners, but to experienced players that they fold stuff like ace-jack offsuit and ace-ten suited UTG. I've even heard you recommend folding pocket nines up front.

Forgive me if I've misheard or misremembered your advice, but one look at the Pokerroom stats should convince you that folding ATs or 99 up front is just plain silly. And it should bring the prudence of folding AJ into serious question.

Yes, they are beginners. Yes, they should get tighter recommendations than good players. But please don't get carried away.
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