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Old 10-08-2007, 11:35 AM
greggg230 greggg230 is offline
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Default Re: Bad end of a straight, monotone flop, getting action

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You have to re-raise.

Now, say he pushes over the top of your re-raise - it's not necessarily a fold. He would be pushing with a set, the K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], possibly the A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] as well as with K9, KQ, and a flush.

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That's why I wouldn't reraise the flop. If OP reraises to price out draws, it's going to be around $20+, half of his stack. Then if he's going to consider folding to a push, he has made a mistake.

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You don't have to raise 3x time the re-raise. Raising to $16ish would be fine.

He'd have $25 behind. If someone pushes, he can easily get away from his hand. Just because you're getting 2:1, or close to it, does not mean you're pot-committed. It's a common mistake to think you're pot-committed when you're not.

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Calling the raise may be OK; at least he won't be committed and can fold if a diamond/K comes off.

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That's exactly why you DO want to raise on the flop, so a diamond or K does not come off for free.

This is like saying you don't want to put money in with AA so you can see a flop before putting your chips in.

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But I don't feel confident about this hand because:
it's an unraised pot and stacks are 166BB. Unless these players suck, they're not going to be raising this flop with JTo

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Um, raising with two pair here is completely fine. What, are you going to fold two pair to the PSB?

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The action goes: one call, Potsized raise, coldcall, ...
With that I'd suspect that a flush or K9 may actually be out there. And if not the turn could suck.

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There's no reason anyone must have a flush or K9. Obviously, it's a possibility, but they also could have a set, two pair, or a draw.

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BTW 98 is even-money with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]+a pair on this flop.
edit: and K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] is a 52% favorite

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Yes, but with the overlay, folding to those hands is incorrect. Add in the fact that there are other hands which are significantly worse underdogs (two pair, sets) and it makes it a much closer decision.
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