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Old 11-06-2007, 03:53 PM
mikeca mikeca is offline
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Default Re: KK...a thought process in the heat of battle.

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also, like ricks pointed out, limit hold em (imo) is not necessarily about "charging". its about waiting for an opportunity where you can make it incorrect for people to call (notice that if i raise the flop, all gutshots are making a mistake by folding) or induce them to make an improper fold. this cannot be done on the flop.

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I agree that in this case there is nothing you can do to protect your hand against gutshots on the flop. They are going to call on this flop no matter what, but do all your opponents have gutshots? What about opponents with a pocket pair, like 88, 66, 55, 44 or 22? With no raise they are getting the correct odds to peel the flop. With a raise it would be a mistake for them to peel. Also anyone with just Ax is getting the odds to peel the flop when you don’t raise.
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