[Buzz]

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think how glorious a river spades wouldve been

[/ QUOTE ]True, but after the flop, on the second betting round, the odds are approximately 34 to 1 against two running, non-pairing, spades.
(from 962 to 28).

And then he also has a back-door draw in clubs, making it about 17 to 1 against either two running clubs or two running spades.

I originally posted in haste, and then as I was driving down the hill realized my mistake. Funny how that happens - I was consciously thinking about where I was going and then it dawned on me, seemingly out of nowhere, that I had made a mistake - actually two mistakes. Anyhow they're corrected now. Sorry for my errors.

Thanks, Tilt Monkey - you caught one of them.

At any rate, even two back door flush draws don't justify jamming on the second betting round, in my humble opinion, although they are nice and add to the value of your post-flop hand.

Buzz