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There is no point in playing the hand when you are at best a small dog on 3rd and the same on 4th. I don't play these stakes, but I would autofold both streets.

[/ QUOTE ] Of course, I couldn't fold 3rd, but I get what you're saying. Here's where we stood on 4th:

Seat 2: 7628
Seat 5: 8A67
Hero: 56QA

I know the argument is that I couldn't know that, but in this game, very commonly, they call with 2 decent cards and a brick and raise with 3 decent cards. "Decent" often means ten or better. I figured us all for essentially equal hands on 4th.

That's why I wish they would learn to raise 3rd. In the games you play, only one guy guy would have raised and the BI would have folded. As I would have here.

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Fold 4th.