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honestly this is not a big deal in 6-max as it is in full ring play where you get more big multiway pots on avg. you can _never_ do this and do just fine

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I can't agree with this. I think waiting for the turn, especially in heads-up pots, is an important line in heads up play. There are plenty of other times in multiway pots as well where it's the best play. People don't check through the turn in 6-max as much as they do in full ring so I think it's important to take advantage of this when you have good relative position. As the pot becomes more multiway you need a read that the flop raiser will bet any turn though.

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Yeah, again I'm sorry for not being clear in my OP. As it says in the edit I'm not looking for hu hands.