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Old 11-14-2007, 05:20 AM
adamw005 adamw005 is offline
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Default Re: 200NL Raise size on the river

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i think his calling range for $100 = calling range for a shove.

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I agree with this.
And I agree with pineapple when you say it's between minraising and shoving.


I think with my note on him and his pretty strong looking bet on the river his range is something like 98, A9, Axdd, A3, A2, 23, flush, sets, whiffed draw, pure bluff. How's this?

If we say he will call our minraise with 98, A9, Axdd, A3, A2, 23, flush, and sets.
And he will call our push with just flushes and sets.

I count 63 hands combos he will call our minraise with and 19 hand combos he will call our push with.

And since our push has to work about 28% of the time to be as profitable as a minraise (40/144). Pushing seems more profitable because he will call a push 30% as often as a minraise (19/63). Also, if we start taking hands out of his minraise calling range (like 23,Axdd) it leans even more towards a push. But, the less he donk bets with hands like 35hh the less hands he can call a push with.

I don't really know how useful any of this analysis is. With out any better reads on him it's hard to weight his hand range.


Here are the hand ranges i used:
Calls push: 9c9d,9c9s,9d9s,8c8d,8c8s,8d8s,3c3h,3c3s,3h3s,2c2h, 2c2s,2h2s,KhTh,7h6h,6h5h,6h4h,5h4h,5h3h,4h3h

Calls minraise: 9c9d,9c9s,9d9s,8c8d,8c8s,8d8s,3c3h,3c3s,3h3s,2c2h, 2c2s,2h2s,KhTh,7h6h,6h5h,6h4h,5h4h,5h3h,4h3h
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AdKd,AdQd,AdJd,AdTd,Ac9c,Ad9d,As9s,Ad8d,Ad7d,Ad6d, Ad5d,Ad4d,9c8c,9d8d,9s8s,3c2c,3h2h,3s2s,Ac9d,Ac9s, Ad9c,Ad9s,As9c,As9d,Ac3h,Ac3s,Ad3c,Ad3h,Ad3s,As3c, As3h,Ac2h,Ac2s,Ad2c,Ad2h,Ad2s,As2c,As2h,9c8d,9c8s, 9d8c,9d8s,9s8c,9s8d



All in all it's pretty close and I think that I would probably minraise against a donk that is calling a minraised too wide. And maybe shove against a regular so that I can bluff in spots like this? I'm really exhausted and probably screwed some stuff up, but I'd really like to hear some thoughts on this.
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