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I dont know what you believe, but I know what most atheists believe. their dogma is that there is no god and eventually science will explain everything, and if never does, it doesnt matter, it wasn't god that did it.

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Sorry dids but you're just plain wrong. I'd again suggest you to study concepts like 'faith', 'science' and 'atheism' and if you don't want to do that but want to continue discussing this topic, then you come out as ignorant. Sorry.

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1. Im not dids, dont every confuse me with him.

2. As a philosophical view, atheism is the belief in the nonexistence of gods,[1] or the rejection of theism.[2]

And if you fail to see how atheists dont adhere to some dogma (ecspecially on this forum), you do the [censored] research becuase you are the ignorant one.

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Let me put it this way. How do you feel about Thor? Do you believe in Thor? Do you reject Thor? Do you absolutely know that Thor doesn't exist? Well, I have the exact kind of attitude against Christian God that I have against Thor. I just don't simply believe in them. They are irrelevant. No evidence, no nothing which would suggest to me that they are real, true or worth worshipping for. Got it?

Science vs religion is irrelevant when discussing atheism. That kind of debate only goes on in the US. Atheism is simply stating that I believe in Christian God as much as I believe in Thor or the Flying Spaghetti Monster (you've probably heard these examples before). There's a chance they might exist (there's always a chance that anything in the world might exist) but I think it's not likely and it's not relevant because of lack of evidence. That's it.

Atheism btw is a bad way of stating who someone is. I prefer 'secular humanism' because it's much clearer how someone thinks about the world. 'Secular' because no religion is relevant and 'humanism' because the humanist values are valued.

The main point you should try to understand is that agnosticism and atheism are not very clearly defined terms. They step in each others territory and they are not mutually exclusive. All people should be agnostic towards everything because as we all should know after watching Matrix lol, that our senses can betray us. Atheism is just a clearer way to say that I think it's unlikely God exists and that it plays no significant part in my life. Agnosticism carries "the baggage" of "I don't know, I haven't really made up my mind yet" which really doesn't suit me or many others because I have made up my mind. I don't believe pink unicorns exist (they still might and if evidence shows otherwise I believe that they exist) and that's the same attitude I have against all supernatural phenoms with no evidence, including Christian God and Thor.