Re: Dumb question about extracting value
If you were close on the line between wanting JJ to call or fold, i'd almost always err on the side of playing for stacks. if he loses a stack he's more likely to play poorly, and if he gets there and wins one, well, whatever. you should be able to control tilt better than he can.
as for timing, i'd probably not instashove but take a second or so to do it. dont think too long though, cause tanking and then shoving tends to look strong.
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