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Old 11-07-2007, 02:59 PM
kendal14 kendal14 is offline
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Default Re: 99.9% sure I\'m behind and facing Shove on Turn. Good Gambool?

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op, i assume you are aware of pot odds? as others have said this is a simple fold, but just for fun here's the way i work it out when i'm not playing

[(chance to win)*(total pot)] - (cost of action) = expected value

[x($37)] - $15 = ?

we want to make a profitable call, so we want to make more than $0 on the call.

x($37) - $15 = 0

37x = 15

x = 15/37 = 40%

there are simpler ways to do this at the table, but we'll leave that for now.

so it depends what you mean by being behind.

if he has 62 you have odds to call:

http://www.propokertools.com/simulator/s...amp;h4=&h5=

obviously he's a lot stronger than that and our pair outs are most likely not good:

http://www.propokertools.com/simulator/s...amp;h4=&h5=

try plugging in a sensible range for villain into the tool and see what equity your hand has against his range. you'll probably come out with 30-35% equity, so this is a fold, but it's actually a little closer than i expected.

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Hi,

Thank you for the post. I have played quite a bit of 6-max limit (over 100k hands) in the low-mid stakes and have done well (but this was about a year ago).

So I do understand pot odds, but I thought it was a lot closer to an easy call than an easy fold because the villian's range is SO wide (after the hand villians VPIP went up into the 50's).

In retrospect, if the action had happened on the flop it would be a shove from my end. I am currently reading Ed Miller's book and will be lurking and posting on this forum a lot. Thanks for the responses. Hope my next hand post is more interesting.
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