[Jman28]

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i dunno if u have to drag shania into it, i just think its the best play for anyone that isnt underrolled. he will fold a ton

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A lot of the hands that he folds are behind and drawing very slim vs our hand. There isn't much need to fold them out.

I also think there's a very decent chance he's going for a c/r with a hand like 44 or JT or a c/c with AcXc.

What better hands are we trying folding out? KQ, K4 and Q4. AT maybe?

Can't we fold most of those out with a river bet and not risk being blown off our big draw?

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and if the clubs get there he might even call lighter not believing u would pot turn with a flushdraw and not believing u would shove river with the broadway if the flush gets there.

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The only bluff we can have if we pot turn and shove a club river is TP turned into a bluff, right?

All that said, betting the turn is a good play and makes you very annoying to play against, but I think I like a check a little better.