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USC and LSU were #1 and #2 at the start of the season. They played in the toughest conferences in the nation, and nothing has changed.

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Somewhere in there USC lost to Stanford. I swear this happened, whether you acknowledge it as meaningful or not. So yes, things did change.

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I agree. People write off this USC loss as a fluke and I agree it was a fluke. But it did indeed happen and USC should be punished for it accordingly.

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It is extremely, extremely relevant. But their other loss was to the best team in the nation...in a really close game. They played a tough schedule, and if we had a playoff tomorrow, I'm willing to bet that they'd be the favorites. Is that irrelevant?

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To be fair their non-conference turned out to be really weak and looking back at the scores their only really impressive win is at asu. They played a decent amount of close games and they looked rather meh today imo.

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Ohio State played Youngstown State, Akron, and Kent State (IN OCTOBER). They played Washington, but we'll see how that turns out.

They also scored a mere 14 points against Michigan, lost at home against Illinois, and "blew out" Northwestern and freaking Minnesota.

I still think USC belongs in the national title game. I haven't decided who I think they should play.

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OSU dominated everyone they played except for Illinois which even had some questionable calls. A team can score 14 points and be dominate.

edit to add my initial statement was to debate between USC and non-tOSU teams because tOSU obv deserves to be in imo.