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Old 09-21-2007, 10:35 AM
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Default Re: Razz article in Sept magazine- 5th street is a value bet!

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According to Wikipedia, a value bet is "A bet made by a player who wants it to be called (as opposed to a bluff or protection bet). This is typically because he has a superior hand that he expects to win at showdown, or a very good draw for which he can increase his pot equity by more than the amount of his bet." IMHO this definition is a little too narrow, since many value bets are made in a spot where the hero would prefer the villain(s) to fold, but isn't likely to get that result.

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Really? I think that's an idiosyncratic definition. This was not a value bet exactly because we prefer a fold. It's true that there's a sort of inbetween bet you can make, where you are rooting for a fold but you think you probably have value if you're called, but it really needs another name.

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What you're talking about sounds like a protection bet when you're ahead but vulnerable so betting charges the draw. Here we are on the draw, but it's got so many outs that it's a statistical favorite. This situation comes up all the time in razz, and there are times when it's really a value bet if hero's brick is showing. In this case, betting a (A3)82J would have been a value bet.
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