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Old 03-07-2006, 05:29 AM
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Because the rest of the animals are provenly incapable of registering (the passage of) time as we do.

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Provenly???

[/ QUOTE ] OK, how many conversations did you have recently with your dog about the History of the Dog Race?


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[Animal] experience ...[is] in no way comparable to the complexity of consciousness.

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Unfounded assertion, especially with regards to dolphins and chimpanzees, which is the greatest likely exception to your very broad assertion.

[/ QUOTE ]Why would you think that an animal could be capable of forming complex thought but, at the same time, showing total lack of willingness to share those complex thoughts with other animals, including the humans? This is not about "technical" incapacity. The chimps have all the physical tools we have, yet they are so way back in the evolutionary scale that they neither grasp nor communicate any complex, asbtract concepts.

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If dogs could realize that they all are heading towards certain death, they would also be able (have the means) to express that realization - and their reaction to it. They would (like humans) do something about it.

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Humans do very little about it, and what they do is at present merely a forestalling of the inevitable. Dolphins don't have prehensile hands, so they CAN'T do much about anything in the way of tools. However they are highly intelligent.

[/ QUOTE ]You have misunderstood what is meant by "doing something about it", meaning about death.

Man's denial of death is the core of the issue -- not medical science or technological progress. I'm not looking for chimp doctors -- but for chimp societies organised at the very least like primitive humans. There are no rituals or concerted thinking or any signs of organised social life (organised around metaphysical concepts and not just survival) as there are in Homo Sapiens.

There is no inherent existential anxiety in animals (only concern for their daily survival - not the same thing at all) because there is no consciousness of existence as a Being. What they have is physical experience of being alive (and an instinct that directs them to stay that way).



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[Dolphins] are the ONLY beings on the planet with a higher brain/body mass ratio than humans (which ratio is loosely but well correlated to inteligence when comparing species). So it is actually quite possible that dolphins are both more aware and smarter than we humans are.

[/ QUOTE ] This is completely incorrect. You are confusing specific instances of seemingly "human-like" behavior of dolphins (playfulness around humans, tenderness towards offspring, etc) for Homo Sapiens-level intelligence.

And brain-to-total-body ratio has nothing to do with it.

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You have consciousness and self-awareness yet you simply presume that even the most intelligent non-human animal species cannot. Talk about hubris, wow.

[/ QUOTE ] I am not "presuming" anything. This is a sober yet trivial conclusion of elementary examination. Next time you have a communication with an animal about an abstract concept, report it to the room manager.
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