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Old 12-01-2007, 12:48 PM
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Default Re: Of Climate Models and Hurricane Predictions

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Have you read economist Bjorn Lomborg's book, The Skeptical Environmentalist?

He's a prominent environmentalist

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Try reading this short summary of Lomborg:

http://tinyurl.com/2zww3u

Includes quotes from scientists claiming that Lomborg 'employs the strategy of those who argue that... Jews weren't singled out by the Nazis' and others claim he lacks even "a preliminary understanding of the science in question."

This page needs to be extended but it should give you a decent idea what real experts in a wide variety (and not just climate change) of fields think of him.

There are plenty of links to more in depth material on the man. But his ocean arguments should make it blatantly obvious that he's capable of making some massive blunders.

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For example global warming will cause drought in some places, but didn't some research discover that overall global food production would increase at least temporarily?

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CO2 fertilization has been debunked.
http://tinyurl.com/3ct5me

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As well, comparing heath deaths to cold deaths; while global warming will increase heat deaths, it seems that cold conditions kill more human beings overall, so overall the shifted equilibrium becomes a net positive for human beings.

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If the glaciers in Asia melt (as they might do in the next 50 years) 40% of the people on the planet will face severe water shortages then food and heat stroke problems will go through the roof. Wars have been fought over this stuff.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/...ter-usat_x.htm
Glacier melt in the Himalayas is projected to increase flooding, and rock avalanches from destabilised slopes, and to affect water resources within the next two to three decades. This will be followed by decreased river flows as the glaciers recede.
http://www.ipcc.ch/SPM13apr07.pdf

The evidence for this is very strong

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Here is a convenient TED talk to those uninformed, not technical at all (YouTube video).

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Will watch it later, thanks for the link.

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I am grunching here and I apologize if your technical links addressed any of my concerns in the body of your posts. I am not as technically sophisticated on the issues as you and I'm appreciate "low-level" links.

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Have I provided anything too technical for you to understand in this thread? If so feel free to let me know.
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