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Old 11-25-2007, 09:51 AM
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Default Re: 8/16 TT Flops a Set against a Nit and a Weak Passive

okay. this is confuzzing. what exactly was the board? cause either it's wrong or our hand is wrong. can't be two T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. i assume the board was rainbow on the flop, and you can correct me if i'm wrong.

pf is close(for me) between building a huge pot, and calling and seeing a flop. either option is fine, one increases value at the sake of variance and the other controls the pot size allowing you to win UI more often. so it's close in terms of benefits(one primarily benefits pf the other primarily benefits postflop).

on the flop you hit one of the strongest hands in your range. this means you want to build a big pot. IMO the best way to do this is donk the flop. this will tie alot of the loosepassives into the pot and give you a couple options if raised by the PFR:

*you can 3bet immediately in an effort to a)drive the guys in the middle out since the pot is really getting big and/or b)jam the pot gaining value from whatever weak draw decides it wants to gambool.

*you could also bet/call the flop and bet/3bet the turn. this is more acceptable given that the board is relatively drawless, but less desirable given that the pot will likely remain 4handed and some scarecards could induce the PFR to not raise your turn donk again while also allowing everyone to play more correctly.

so looking at those options i'm bet/3betting that flop most all of the time. if the PFR was very aggressive(and showdown bound) with top pair hands i might choose the b/c, b3b line. but even then the pot is 8bb or so before the turn and that's big enough to start protecting our hand given the multiway-ness of the situation.

so i bet/3bet the flop and lead the turn. if i'm raised by anyone on the turn i'm 3betting. we still hold a monster and i want to jam for value. so this means as played, your bet/3bet on the turn is great. good job.

the river gets interesting and i don't think i can really get to specific given that the action is incorrect. you say "LP folds" on the turn, but now on the river you say "LP raises". so i'm confuzzed again.

but here's what i would do:

i would bet. if the super loosepassive raises i would call. if the super loosepassive gets 3bet by the LP raiser i would call thinking that's the last money i'm putting in. AK is heavily in the PFR range(4 combos of AA/KK and 9 combos of AK+ retard factor) in he may think he hit his gin card with two pair outdrawing your AT/A7/A6.

except for the flop, i think you played the hand fine(but i wouldn't fold the river if the PFR 3bet because i still think we a fave over his range).
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