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Flop is meh. Weakish hand + tainted outs in a small pot with a loose passive behind you. I usually find a fold.

Against just UTG on the river this is an easy b/f. Against the other cat too it seems pretty slim at best. We're pretty much hoping that SB's on A8(maybe K/Q8) or JT without hearts -- other Ax hands that called the turn probably picked up a flush draw, and I can't think of anything else that plays this way that didn't get there.

I'd just check intending to fold, though I don't hate a b/f since we probably get some value vs UTG's range to help offset the times that SB gets in a c/r. We should get a pretty honest reaction on a board this scary.