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Old 10-23-2007, 01:49 AM
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Default Re: JJ with two overcards on board

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I like c/c for turn and river, although this is a nasty little spot.

1) Pot is too big and there is too much chance he has pocket pair to b/f.

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Yes, but how often does he raise a worse PP - close to never in my estimate, unless he is a known maniac.

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2) You don't want him to get away from his smaller pocket pair so easily if he has one. You can likely induce 1 or 2 bluffs by checking.

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I think when you c/c (especially two streets) you are getting value bet WAAAY more often than you are inducing bluffs. There are a lot more hands that are beating us than the other way around.

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3) There are no draws to worry about giving a free card to.

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That is true, but I think giving up the lead is just asking ourselves to get v-bet to death. Also, what about the times villain gives up on QQ or the other JJ when we keep barreling away at this turn?

If I bet this turn and get called again, I am likely c/f the river unless I spike a J. Is that bad?
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