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Kurto what are you afraid of? Afraid someone might think things through for themselves? One of the articles was addressing the crisis in mathematics and his historical takes on the evolution of mathematics and how it fit in with the trinitarian view. Why do you have to dumb everything down? Someone who really knows math might agree and that bothers you?

Bunny, I am answering the op. There's insight in these articles relevant to questions he raised. I don't have to state an opinion when I am giving him information that might answer the question he raised.

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We are debaters on a pretty good forum. What we are interested in is mainly the debater's view on things, linking articles is great when you feel the need to explain some term to someone who asks for an explanation or someone asks for a link or your viewpoint is attacked as 'unsupported' and you feel the need to reference it.

When you use them as arguments against people used to science you should know:

1.) If you're good in your field, you really only need light browsing of an article to see if its junk, you don't need to read it in its entirety. I'm sure others here will testify to this also. That an article is debunked on the basis of a few silly lines in the abstract IS the reality of science, and I will even say its a good thing. So don't post links to bad articles - it will completely ruin your credibility in the argument!

2.) People used to reading scientific articles have very highly evolved BS radars, which you need, because bad articles often attempt to cover up flaws - generally when people have worked for 1 year on something, they want it to fit. Therefore you should think twice before presenting articles, make certain it is a good and solid article. If you can find something which is actually reputable in non-theist camps, you will have come along way. Examples of things like that are renowned history articles, linguistics articles etc.

3.) Reading a heavy article in a new field is very hard work, not many here really want to spend 2 hours reading an article and checking up on the references to see if it holds true - a statement and reference to a _reputable_ source will get the job done much easier.

4.) If you are debating with diehard atheists and don't want to get picked apart, I would avoid articles which uses the bible as fundamental proof. They add nothing to the debate, sorry. In those cases you might as well present the bible as your proof, the articles add nothing but fluff.